
	Weekly Chat # 31: Tuesday March 7th 2000

Participating: Allan Hornstrup, Carol Anne Oxborrow, Niels Joergen Westergaard,
	Sami Maisala, Eero Esko, Peter Kretschmar, Stefan Larsson
	
Subjects discussed: Outstanding AIs
		Agenda for SDAST meeting March 9th 2000
		
AIs
AI_000307_1	AH	Get Josef to make drawings to send to Southampton for
OPEN			background simulation

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<njw> Hello Eero END
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<njw> God morgen Carol Anne END
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> Bonjour Peter END
<peter> Good morning everybody. Could you please excuse me for 3 minutes - Imust send an urgent fax to Thierry at ESTEC. END
> Is Sami coming, Eero? END
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<eesko> He should be END
<larsson> Morning!! END
> Bonjour Stefan END
<eesko> I'll call him END
> As soon as Sami comes we'll start on the AI list END
<eesko> He is coming, will be here in 5 minutes END
> I hope you all have it in front of you, because I want to go through
> it quickly END
<peter> OK, I'm back. END
> We're starting with the AI list as soon as Sami joins us END
> Okay I think we can all agree that the AIs to do with add update
> are all closed. So We'll skip them. END
<peter> Fine with me. END
<allan> Could we start quoting from Rolands mail yesterday:
<allan> This somewhat relaxes the schedule of the deliveries of the V2 components 
<allan> as ISDC will not start integrating them into pipelines before June 2000.
<allan> I will forward his mail shortly.
<allan> END
> But wasn't the actual delay only about two weeks? END
<peter> After quite a bit of discussion on this it appears Roland would rather have a more significant
<allan> That is a number he quoted, yes, but I am uncertain if this is the actual delay END
<peter> delay now than to have several shorter delays caused by stumbling along. END
> That sounds good: I'd like to update all my components as soon as
<peter> It's hardto measure the actual delay. We have ISSW for V1 still missing from some teams.
> possible to work with RP1.4 and all the changes in the data
> structures, and that'll take a while to do, but produce a more
<peter> The deliveries we have will practically all need some updating (e.g. for RP1.4).
> consistent set of executables for j_calib_auto and j_correction END
<peter> And thus it may be better to take a breath. END
<peter> Carol Anne: Roland wants the updated ISSW for V1 on March 20. This should have precedence over
<peter> all other ISDC tasks. Do you think that could be done? END
> Let's just pray we don't all end up taking a permanent `breather'!end
> March 21 for updates of V1 sounds okay. END
<allan> Peter, is that for the integral schools? END
> Peter, I'll spend the next weeks on V1 before moving on to V2 END
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<smaisala> Hi therere all. Sorry I'm late END
<peter> To Allan: not really, it's about V1 in order to keep even the delayed schedule. END
<allan> OK END
> Hi Sami, we're going to start going through the AI list END
<smaisala> ok END.
> We'll skip the ADD related ones and assume they're done.
> AI13.3	CAO	End Feb Ensure that Hardware team provides a list of 
OPEN			HK parameters to be used for determining GTIs
> We've discussed this with the OBSW people: they want ALL HK params
> monitored for GIIs, though they recognise that it may turn out
> that only a few actually proved to be really useful in flight. So
> that one's closed. END
> AI13.4	ALL 	End February Provide criteria for evaluation of events in 
OPEN			JEventEvaluation
> This has also been discussed: result we have some first suggestions
> based on one flag for each data type indicating goodness of
> energy, position and time data. It seems like other criteria
> for grading events will be forthcoming later. So that one's closed
> for the time being. END
> Any comments so far? END
<allan> no END
<larsson> No
<njw> N
<smaisala> n
<eesko> no 
<peter> No
> Okay  next: AI13.5	ALL	End January	Agree on principle of contents of columns in
OPEN				event files
> Where did we get to on this one? END
> Certainly from my side I've agreed contents of data structures with
<peter> Ahem, I'm not even sure what it means anymore. END
> Stephane. Are there other who are unsure what they want in their
> raw data structures? END
> Okay, lets call that one closed END
> AI13.6 PK/NJW/SL Jan 31	Decide on skipping hardcoding of production of
OPEN				reduced formats from Full Imaging for example
				in JDataBinning
> Okay PK, NJW and SL: how about it? END
<larsson> Thats resolved Peter is'nt it? END
<peter> Yes, we all agreed during a chat, if I'm not completely mistaken END
> Okay, I'll close it END
<peter> We agreed to not produce reduced formats. END
<larsson> Yes. END
> Next: AI13.8 SM 	Summer  Discuss interactive version of background programs 
OPEN		with Bruce O'Neil at ISDC
> PEter? END
> Sorry that's for summer, let's got to the next one:
> AI13.10	NJW/AH/PK End Feb Comment on proposal for derivation of 
OPEN			scaling parameters for background

> Is that commented guys? END
<peter> IMHO I did this in mails to Sami. END
> Any comments other guys? END
<allan> N
<njw> Not really, seemed OK END
> Okay that one's closed as far as I can tell. Next:AI13.11 ALL	End Feb SDAST to think about how exactly to handle the 
OPEN		grey filter in ISSW
> I think we should discuss this during the meeting: I'm still not
> sure where we actually use the grey filter, and why I don't do
> any grey filter corrections in j_correction END
<larsson> Then lets save this to thursday. END
<peter> I agree. END
> I'll slip it into the agenda somewhere. Next:AI13.15 NJW/CAO	mid Feb Find out what calibration data (products) will be 
OPEN			provided bythe calibration activity, and what 
			calibration data structuresare needed
> I suggest that we put this one off for a few months until we know
> the final design of the detector. END
<allan> yes end
> Posponed till June, okay? END
<peter> Halfhearted yes - as always ISDC would love to know more now, but only if it makes sense ... END
<allan> Exactly, and if we provide ISDC with something that eventually is 
> We'd ALL like to know more....END
> Okay, next: AI13.16 ALL	mid Feb Discuss with Nicolas Produit  which  calibration data 
OPEN		will be  availablefor testing at ISDC

<allan> not correct, they will object as well.  Better wait just a few months ... END
> I think the same comments apply here. So we'll cancel this one. END
<peter> OK
> Next: AI13.17 NJW	End March Ensure that the calibration document will contain 
OPEN		descriptions of data-formats, products etc. which will be in 
		telemetry format to be provided to ISDC
> We'll put this one back to june too, okay? END
<njw> Y
> Next: AI13.27 SM/JH	Jan 31 Specify background requirements for our ISSW to 
OPEN		Southampton - and tell Allan S/H requirements for drawing 
		formats.
> Is this done AH, SM, JH? END
<smaisala> I think Juhani has taken care of that END
> Allan? END
<allan> I think it got as far as possible for the time being
<allan> and I need to get Josef to produce the drawings in
<allan> a usable format end
> Okay let's close this AI, and make a new one for you to lean on
> Josef - but do it GENTLY! END
<peter> Well, Allan leaning on someone can't be as bad as me or Ib :-) END
> We
<allan> Thanks, not sure it is true, though END
> We'll close the next one and replace it with the new AI:
> AI13.28 AH	Jan 31 Provide the latest JEMX drawings to the SH group
OPEN
> Okay? ENd
<allan> Yes END
> AI_000229_2	ALL	3/03/00 Send CAO ALL contributions to jemx.h 
OPEN

> Have you sent what you want included for the latest official verion
> 2.1?
<njw> Y
> Perhaps we should make this AI ongoing - jemx. h needs to be kept 
<larsson> You may get something from me later today (if thats OK, CA) END
> up to date, but I will call for occassional input for official
> releases. END
> Good, Stefan - I welcome all input. END
> next: AI_000229_3	ALL	ASAP Send CAO component-by-component V2 status
> I need this at the end of every month until ALL v2 is delivered
> for the first time. Some of you need to be more forthcoming -
> and use the NEW NAMES end
> I'll move it to ongoing. END
<peter> Good idea. END
> That's all folks! Any comments on meeting agenda for next week? END
<smaisala> n END
<njw> N
<peter> Let's see after the face-to-face meeting. END
> I'll find a place for the grey filter discussion and send you all
> a copy. END
> Just one question Peter: I'd like to book back-to-back tickets for
> my trip to Genevat next week: when and for what purpose
> (integration?) would be a good time for me to come to ISDC again? END
<allan> In the agenda, please add time for a presentation of the results of AI 13.10 (sami ! ) END
<peter> Just a second, I'm looking at timetables. END
> Okay Sami: can you present something on Scaling? 15 minutes enough? 
> END
<smaisala> I think that is enough time ... END
> Maybe I'll shorten the time for each of us to present V2 status
> to make room for grey filter and scaling. Okay? END
<peter> To Carol Anne: How about coming either in week 15 or week 16 to discuss/assist the integration of your calibration
> Week 15, maybe, though my husband's very busy then - just one day
> is all that's needed. END
> What about week 18? END
<peter> Probably possible too. I should check with Roland and Tess Jaffe if this makes for a good date. END
> Okay, Peter. We'll discuss this off-line. To the rest of you:
> thank you for a speedy and productive chat. If you've got data
> structure templates you want included in ADD5.0 send them before
> lunch. Any other business? END
<njw> N
<smaisala> N
<peter> No
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> See you all on Thursday: bye bye END
