
	Weekly meeting # 18: May 28th 1999

Participants: Allan Hornstrup, Carol Anne Oxborrow, Sami Maisala, Stefan
	Larsson, Peter Kretschmar.
	
Subjects covered: V1 Deliveries: ISDC unable to receive software
		DDD: skeleton entries for components under developement

Acton Items

AI990528_1	CAO  June 7th 1999	Provide a `skeleton' ddd template
to other developers for making very first version of DDD entries for components
still under developement.


*** IRC session log started at Fri May 28 09:30:20 1999.
H oxborrow@    #jemxadr 0 Carol Anne Oxborrow          ~oxborrow@tenma.dsri.dk
315 apollo.dsri.dk * End of /WHO list.      
*** allan <~allan@130.226.216.175> joined channel #jemxadr
#jemxadr> Hello Allan, how's the disk - I can't get hold of the various chat fi
+les I usually edit during the meeting. END
<allan:#jemxadr> OOps., det maa jeg lige kigge paa.
<allan:#jemxadr> Dont you usually have them locally?
#jemxadr> It appears I can open them manually, but not with the Makefile comman
+ds `dtpat filename.txt &' or similar end
H allan        #jemxadr 0 Allan Hornstrup               ~allan@130.226.216.175
H oxborrow@    #jemxadr 0 Carol Anne Oxborrow          ~oxborrow@tenma.dsri.dk
315 apollo.dsri.dk * End of /WHO list.      
<allan:#jemxadr> It may not have anything to do with apollo?. Maybe you should 
+log out
<allan:#jemxadr> and back in.
#jemxadr> Good idea, I'll try that later END
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<smaisala:#jemxadr> Hi there ! END
<allan:#jemxadr> Hello!
#jemxadr> Hello Sami - we're still waiting for everyone else. I hope it'll be m
+ore productive than last week. END
<smaisala:#jemxadr> Yes, I have been waiting here whole week... :-) END
#jemxadr> Let's start and get my annouoncements over with so that we can all ge
+t on with our lives ;-) END
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#jemxadr> Announcement one: JGainFitting1.0 has been officially delivered and P
+eter's
#jemxadr> JDataPrep1.0 is ready and waiting for official delivery once RW has t
+ime
#jemxadr> to check the code over. END
#jemxadr> Hi Stefan - I'm just making a few announcements: I don't think we've 
+go much to discuss otherwise. END
#jemxadr> Announcement 2: the DDD which I delivered and covers just JGainFittin
+g
#jemxadr> ran to 60 pages: this is far too much!!!
#jemxadr> So I'm going to have to trim the template a little.
#jemxadr> For those of you who have to make skeleton ddd entries for your undel
+ivered components, I'll make a very short template for each component and let 
+you have it sometime next week. 
#jemxadr> That way you won't waste time making anything too elaborate, like i j
+ust did. END
#jemxadr> Any comments thus far? END
<smaisala:#jemxadr> No, everything is clear. END
<allan:#jemxadr> Good idea with a 'smaller' template.
<allan:#jemxadr> But if the information in the DDD is relevant, it IS OK to hav
+e it
#jemxadr> jAnnouncement 3: We should perhaps all get together and chat a little
+ about
<allan:#jemxadr> big, the only problem is if it takes a major effort to
<allan:#jemxadr> produce the DDD.
<allan:#jemxadr> One must scale the effort to the usefullness. END
#jemxadr> the background simulations NJW's students did, and the results there 
+of. Next Friday it could be top priority. END
<smaisala:#jemxadr> I agree that. END
#jemxadr> RE DDD: I'm waiting for Tim Lock's comments before scaling back the c
+omplete entries (i.e. not the skeleton ones). he knows best what is actually u
+seful to ISDC. END
<allan:#jemxadr> Fine END
#jemxadr> Shall I advertise next week's chat as a `background chat'? END
#jemxadr> Announcement 4: ALL the files from Peter and my deliveries can now be
+ viewed on the developer's forum.
#jemxadr> I hope this will help other developers. Also you can find the text of
+ several exchanges of emails between us and ISDC
#jemxadr> concerning various programming problems. I'm not sure if these are he
+lpful to others, but they're quite amusing to read. A bit like a 
#jemxadr> software problem solving soap opera. END
#jemxadr> Announcement 5: DAL3JEMX will be available on the DSRI system within 
+the next few days. END
#jemxadr> Announcement 6: PLEASE send me things for the monthly report. END
#jemxadr> Comments? END
<allan:#jemxadr> Not to the above, but I want to announce, that we - ie you, CA
+ - as
<allan:#jemxadr> the first have delivered SW to the ISDC, and that they are NOT
+ 
<allan:#jemxadr> prepared to do anything about that before next month.
<allan:#jemxadr> A bit embarrasing in my opinion, (for them!) and we should add
+ress
<allan:#jemxadr> that properly ion the monthly report.
<allan:#jemxadr> END
#jemxadr> I certainly will do that, Allan.
#jemxadr> Actually, I have a pretty good idea for how this sort of pile up migh
+t be avoided - apart from having a couple more people at ISDC. END
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<Peter:#jemxadr> Hi there, sorry I'm late. - I had an appointment for a blood s
+ample and everything was delayed ... END
<Peter:#jemxadr> Anything exciting discussed yet?
<Peter:#jemxadr> END
#jemxadr> Hi Peter, we're just about finished, here. And since there were just 
+a few announcements from me
#jemxadr> I think we can probably say Goodbye now, and I'll just circulate and 
+email with the announcements. END
<Peter:#jemxadr> OK. I'll just add that Roland Walter finally wants to do the i
+nformal
#jemxadr> Next week, I think we should discuss the results of NJW's student's b
+ackground simulation work. END
<Peter:#jemxadr> code review of my Data Preparation ISSW today - so maybe we ge
+t it delivered formally this month after all. END
<allan:#jemxadr> Peter, will anyone at ISDC be interested in the delivery? 
#jemxadr> Great - I'll put it in the monthly report! END
<Peter:#jemxadr> And a question to Sami and Stefan:
<allan:#jemxadr> 'You' seem somehow not prepared to receive software.END
<Peter:#jemxadr> Are you writing prototype ISSW using DAL/PIL/RIL/COMMON?
<Peter:#jemxadr> From my own experience I can tell the learning curve can be st
+eep and I recommend to start early and ask many questions ... END
<Peter:#jemxadr> To Allan: it will become better, our test engineer will start 
+next week. Also the delay in my case was mostly caused
#jemxadr> I agree completely with Peter. Slap these ISDC libraries into shape a
+s early as possible1 END
<Peter:#jemxadr> by Roland wanting to have things easier but then not getting a
+round to the informal part. END
<smaisala:#jemxadr> To Peter: Yes I use those libraries and I do my developemen
+t work there in ISDC. END
<Peter:#jemxadr> Great! END
#jemxadr> Peter: Tim Lick says it'll be mid June before anyone can even look at
+ our delivery. END
#jemxadr> JGainFitting v1.0 *could* be quite obsolete by then END
<Peter:#jemxadr> Tim L_o_ck :-)
#jemxadr> Freudian slip - don't tell him! END
<Peter:#jemxadr> And we will have to live with delays like that, simply because
+ so many other things are going at the same time. END
<Peter:#jemxadr> Also, I guess we just trust you to write mostly sensible S/W :
+-) ?
<Peter:#jemxadr> Excuse me the "?" makes no sense END
#jemxadr> I have a `software jam' proposal, which I'll outline in an email - I 
+think we should be able to use these delays to our advantage rather than havin
+g them slow everything down. END
#jemxadr> Is `mostly sensible' defined in the CTS somewhere? END
#jemxadr> If there's nothing else to discuss, I think we should move to email. 
+END
<Peter:#jemxadr> OK. END
<smaisala:#jemxadr> Ok. Have a nice weekend BYE :-) END
#jemxadr> Have a good weekend everyone: it's sunny here1 END
<Peter:#jemxadr> You too. Around here it will be summerly. END
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<allan:#jemxadr> Bye
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