   
    Weekly Meeting #21: Friday #3rd September 1999
    
Participating: Peter Kretschmar, Carol Anne Oxborrow, Stefan Larsson, Juhani
	Huovelin, Niels Joergen Westergaard.
	
Subjects discussed: Timing/agenda of Helsinki Meeting
	Date for a second (informal) meeting in Helsinki
	Test data from detector with flight electronics    

Action Items:

AI990903_1   CAO	October 1999 Find out when test data will be available 
from a detector with flight electronics which implement the most uptodate 
version of the packet formats. 
OPEN    
    
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#jemxadr> Hi Peter, how's things with you? END
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#jemxadr> Hi Juhani, how are you? END
#jemxadr> Hello Stefan, nice to have you with us END
<huovelin:#jemxadr> Fine, Carol-Anne . And you ? END
<Peter:#jemxadr> Well, I'm fighting a bad cold - otherwise OK. END
<larsson:#jemxadr> Hi CA and others. END
#jemxadr> I had a stinking cold last week, but I'm fighting fit now - wish I co
+uld say the same for the children. END
#jemxadr> Allan's got a meeting right now, so he won't be with us today. END
<huovelin:#jemxadr> Our logistics for the meeting in Helsinki seems to be in go
+od shape, ...
#jemxadr> I'll just check on NJW, if he's not here we'll begin immediately. ENd
<huovelin:#jemxadr> do you have some problems or questions ? END
#jemxadr> As things stand, we'll be starting quite late on the 
<Peter:#jemxadr> Is there public transport or should I better take a taxi from 
+the airport Tuesday evening? END
#jemxadr> Wednsday to give everyone a chance to arrive, and finishing quite lat
+e that evening, but finshing early on the Thursday evening. Is every one agree
+d with this? END
#jemxadr> There seems to be no great enthusiasm for extending the Thursday sess
+ion to
<huovelin:#jemxadr> Peter, there is public transport to the centre of Helsinki,
+ but you could take a taxi, if you can pay the 150 FIM instead of about ..
<larsson:#jemxadr> I have no problem with that. END
#jemxadr> accomodate the colloquium, am I right? END
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<huovelin:#jemxadr> 20-30 FIM by bus END
#jemxadr> Hi NJW, we're discussing timing of the Helsinki meeting. END
<Peter:#jemxadr> Actually I'm undecided. The colloquim sounds interesting, but 
+this would realistically mean that we go on for longer than 15:00
<njw:#jemxadr> OK I'll hear it later END
<larsson:#jemxadr> RE coll, I will stay long enough for that but if the rest of
+ you like
<Peter:#jemxadr> If a majority would like to hear the colloquium I'll just take
+ the late flight. END
<larsson:#jemxadr> to get going  thats ok with me. END
#jemxadr> Yes, I think we'd finish closer to 17.oo with the colloquium. I'd cer
+tainly be interested in hearing it. END
<huovelin:#jemxadr> It may not be necessary to extend the Thursday to accomodat
+e the colloquium, since the DDD discussion will probably not take so much time
+ as CAO planned END
<Peter:#jemxadr> Let's turn this around: at what times are your return flights 
+planned? END
<larsson:#jemxadr> I am leaving by boat at about 20.00 END.
#jemxadr> There's flights to Copenhagen that could certainly allow us to includ
+e the colloquium in the agenda END
#jemxadr> So I think the decision rests largely with you Peter. END
<Peter:#jemxadr>  OK. Let's include the colloqium in any case.
<huovelin:#jemxadr> Fine OK
<huovelin:#jemxadr> ... END
#jemxadr> I was quite generous with all the times on the various agenda items f
+rom simple experience that there's always something
<Peter:#jemxadr> Now to the ramifications of this decision:
#jemxadr> that unexpectedly turns into a 1 hour debate. END
<Peter:#jemxadr> Would you all agree to (a) try to keep the times for the indiv
+idual items within the agenda or shorter?
<Peter:#jemxadr> (b) to in case this doesn't work to work "long" on Wednesday?
<Peter:#jemxadr> (c) to start quite early on Thursday, if required?
<Peter:#jemxadr> END
<larsson:#jemxadr> y,y,y END.
#jemxadr> This draft agenda assumes that we will stick to these times. But I'd 
+be willing to work as long as it takes on Wed. and also early on Thursday if n
+ecessary. END
<njw:#jemxadr> yes to all END
#jemxadr> Great stuff guys: I like to see a little can-do spirit! END
<huovelin:#jemxadr> We will have a donner together on Wednesday after the work,
+ wont we ? END
<huovelin:#jemxadr> donner = dinner  END
<Peter:#jemxadr> I hope so! What are your plans? END
#jemxadr> Yes to food. END
<huovelin:#jemxadr> I'll reserve a tabel in some nice place then END
<huovelin:#jemxadr> tabel = table, I seem to be in typing error mode today END
#jemxadr> Just for the agenda, what sort of time for supper reservations? 20.00
+? END
<Peter:#jemxadr> OK, so the baseline is: we'll attend to the colloqium and try 
+to
<Peter:#jemxadr> squeeze in the work between Wednesday after lunch and Thursday
+ 15:00 
<huovelin:#jemxadr> Maybe earlier , say 19  ? END
<Peter:#jemxadr> To CAO: 20:00 sounds reasonable to me. END
<Peter:#jemxadr> To Juhani: don't make it too early so we have a litlle leeway 
+with the meeting. END
#jemxadr> We may need to work later than 18.00 on Wed.d  if we start at 13.00 o
+r 14.00. END
<huovelin:#jemxadr> We can be flexible on the exact dinner timing, so lets not 
+decide it now END
#jemxadr> What about other agenda Items? END
<Peter:#jemxadr> In case we absolutely run out of time we can still decide not 
<Peter:#jemxadr> to go to the colloqium. END
#jemxadr> Good observation, Peter. END
<huovelin:#jemxadr> Peter is right, so dinner timing and coll. attendance are u
+p to us then END
#jemxadr> I'd like to add two more agenda items, both quite short, say 15-20 mi
+ns each:
#jemxadr> 1) Alternatives to IRC for regular meetings (I've heard grumbles of
#jemxadr> discontent from various quarters). Please come with suggestions for s
+omething better END
#jemxadr> 2) Liaison and data/checking between us (SDAST) and the instrument te
+am (also low rumbles of discontent, mostly from the IT) END
#jemxadr> Any comments? Any other additions? END
<Peter:#jemxadr> Fine with me, though I have no idea for 1) END
<huovelin:#jemxadr> We have learned to do with IRC, so it may not be necessary 
+to change it END
#jemxadr> We'll discuss the various options at the meeting, but it's agreed tha
+t we should have this on the agenda? Point 2 is quite complex and must be disc
+ussed. END
#jemxadr> Any one else with other agenda items? ENd
<larsson:#jemxadr> No. END
#jemxadr> Next point then: additional travel to Helsinki.
#jemxadr> I've discovered that it's cheaper to travel twice to Helsinki than on
+ce
#jemxadr> so NJW and I will be going up there in Oct/Nov to discuss V2 develope
+ments in general and grey filter history table creation in particular. Is anyo
+ne else interested in this additional meeting?
<Peter:#jemxadr> YEp a well known fact of modern airline pricing ...
#jemxadr> It will be fairly informal, just to keep us all up dated on other's p
+rogress. END
<Peter:#jemxadr> Hmm, maybe I'd come. Depends on the exact time.
<Peter:#jemxadr> I was goin to nook back to back tockets anyway, just to save m
+oney END
<Peter:#jemxadr> Do you have a specific date in mind?
<Peter:#jemxadr> END
#jemxadr> I'm thinking of the last week in October or first week of november. W
+hich do you prefer NJW? END
<njw:#jemxadr> I'd prefer first week of november END
#jemxadr> Okay first week in nov. it is. Peter? ENd
<Peter:#jemxadr> Fine with me. Just chose a date. END
<njw:#jemxadr> I also hope we can have some discussions on the instrument backg
+round END
<Peter:#jemxadr> Can we settle for a firm date now? Instrument background discu
+ssions would also be useful. END
#jemxadr> One day or two? The price difference actually almost pays for a hotel
+ room too. Can you believe this??? END
<huovelin:#jemxadr> I have lectures on Oc-DEc on Wed and Thu, but other days ar
+e OK END
#jemxadr> Bear in mind we can't get to Helsinki before 11.30 END
<huovelin:#jemxadr> Oc-DEc= Oct-Dec END
<Peter:#jemxadr> Do you think half a day will be sufficient? 
#jemxadr> What about Monday and Tuesday 1st and 2nd November. Then we can get i
+nto some pretty deep discussions, down to the code statement level. ENd
<njw:#jemxadr> Perhaps monday afternoon until tuesday noon ? END
<Peter:#jemxadr> Otherwise you have the choice between an afternoon and 2/3rds 
+of a day, or a full day if youy arrive in the evening.
<Peter:#jemxadr> NJW's proposal sounds fine to me. END
<Peter:#jemxadr> Everybody happy with this? END
#jemxadr> So extra visit to Helsinki is: Midday Monday 1st November to early af
+ternoon Tuesday 2nd november. Any other takers ? END
<huovelin:#jemxadr> So, Ill write down to my agenda: 1st-2nd Nov, SDAST meeting
+ at the Observatory, Welcome all END
<njw:#jemxadr> I hope Juhani agrees that we invite ourselves like this (?) END
<Peter:#jemxadr> At least he can't complain that we never visit them in the fro
+zen wastelands of the North :-) :-) END
#jemxadr> Juhani do you mind us imposing on you? END
#jemxadr> Frozen wastelands??????? Nobody warned me about this!! END
<huovelin:#jemxadr> I thikn Germany is more wasteland than Finland, heh heh END
#jemxadr> Any other business anyone? END
<Peter:#jemxadr> There is a slim chance that this is the prejudice of a guy fro
+m Central Europe ... END
<Peter:#jemxadr> Other business:
<huovelin:#jemxadr> At least we have fresh air and a lot more forests than you 
+END
#jemxadr> Yes, but are they frozen??? END
<Peter:#jemxadr> This isn;t really SDAST ground, but Tim Lock recently asked me
+ when ISDC could expect to get some test data from a JEM-X detector with fligh
+t electronics. END
<huovelin:#jemxadr> Today we have been promised 20-25 degrees C, and in the mor
+nng , 7 am it was already 16 degrees END
<Peter:#jemxadr> CAO, NJW could you hassle the hardware people a little about t
+his? END
<Peter:#jemxadr> To Juhani: OK, OK I'll give in, but woe betide you if it freez
+es while we are there :-) END
<huovelin:#jemxadr> I think the test data wont come soon ! END
#jemxadr> Peter, I'll look into this. Haven't you guys got data from the EM tes
+ts at Alenia? END
<Peter:#jemxadr> Yes, but (a) they hard the instrument in FULL IMAGING mode onl
+y,
<Peter:#jemxadr> (b) the packet format is subtly different from what we will ha
+ve in the flight model. END
#jemxadr> Well aren't you lucky then: it's a miracle it was in any mode at all 
+;-) end
<huovelin:#jemxadr> We have a critical design review in the end of September, w
+here I'll hear the status of HW END
<Peter:#jemxadr> This is _not_ a request to have something within the next week
+s. The question is: when can we realistically assume to obtain some data. END
#jemxadr> I'll ask the IT, but it's pretty hard getting any straight answers ou
+t of them: I'll talk to Niels Lund END
<huovelin:#jemxadr> Cna you wait until then Peter  ? END
#jemxadr> Action Item on CAO: find out when test data will be available from
<Peter:#jemxadr> Lest I forget: something that came up yesterday - we should ma
+ke sure our list of calibration data and how we obtain them is firmed up. I as
+sume this can happen naturally as part of our meeting. END
#jemxadr> a detector with flight electronics which implement the most uptodate 
+version
#jemxadr> of the packet formats. END
<Peter:#jemxadr> To JH, CAO: Thanks to both, the answer isn't urgent. END
#jemxadr> I'm glad the answer isn't urgent, because I suspect the answer isn't 
+even available yet. ENd
#jemxadr> Any more AOB? END
<Peter:#jemxadr> Not from me END
<larsson:#jemxadr> No. END
<njw:#jemxadr> no END
#jemxadr> Well thank you for a brief and well-focussed chat: I hope we can mana
+ge
#jemxadr> to do the same next week too. Have a good weekend all of you. END
<huovelin:#jemxadr> Have a nice weekend all ! Bye ! END
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<njw:#jemxadr> Bye END
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<larsson:#jemxadr> I will be in Bologna next week, Sorry folks. END
<Peter:#jemxadr> Enjoy your weekend. And may your children get better, CAO. END
#jemxadr> Good bye END
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