	Weekly chat meeting # 23: Friday 12th November 1999

Participating: Peter Kretschmar, Carol Anne Oxborrow, Juhani Huovelin,
	Niels Joergen Westergaard, Stefan Larsson.

Subjects discussed:
	All AI's from SDAST meeting 12a in Helsinki, Nov 1st-2nd 1999
	All AI's from SDAST meeting 12 in Helsinki September 22nd-23rd 1999
	Background handling figure from Helsinki
	Moving JKnowSourceCalibration from ISDC V2 to ISDC V3
	More manpower for QLA
	Test data repository to be populated by DSRI `mini-Preprocessing'
		- actually called JDataUnpack

Action Items

AI991112_1	JH	17/11/99 Send CAO details of Finnish student resources
for help with QLA.
OPEN.

AI991112_2	CAO	End Nov 1999	Set up a repository for test data from
jemx instrument, sorted into ISDC data structures by JDataUnpack.
OPEN

AI991112_3	CAO	ASAP	Circulate updated, complete, consolidate
Open Action Item list to all SDAST members
OPEN
*** IRC session log started at Fri Nov 12 09:31:53 1999.
#jemxadr> Good Morning Peter! How are you? END
#jemxadr> We may be the only two chatters today - I sent the chat notification
+ quite late last night END
<Peter:#jemxadr> But Juhani should be in - he sent me mail this morning.
<Peter:#jemxadr> And Stefan sent me a mail very late last night in which he ex
+cuses himself in advance for probably being late. END
<Peter:#jemxadr> You might try to round up the "boys". ND
#jemxadr> NJW has just arrived, but Allan's away - probably waiting for the se
+eing to improve on some mountain somewhere! END
<Peter:#jemxadr> OK, let's wait for NJW and JH to log in too. END
#jemxadr> Well, Peter, let's get started: which of your AI's from the helsinki
+ meeting are closed/done? END
<Peter:#jemxadr> AI 12.2, 12.3, 12.6 and 12.15 are done. END
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<huovelin:#JEMXADR> Hi all (only 3 of us ?)
#jemxadr> Hi Juhani! We're looking over the AI list: Peter's done 12.2 12.3 12
+.6
<huovelin:#JEMXADR> END
#jemxadr> and 12.15
#jemxadr> Which of your AI's from the last meeting are completed Juhani? END
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#jemxadr> Hi NJW, we're just going over the AI list from last meeting 12a. Wha
+t have you completed/closed? END
<huovelin:#JEMXADR> I somehow dont find the list of SI's, nut you know I've as
+ked the TIMM ...
<huovelin:#JEMXADR> question (got the answer you know), asked Marco (no answer
+ yet), ...
#jemxadr> AI's are listed at the back of the  meeting 12a minutes that NJW cir
+culated. 
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<njw:#jemxadr> AI12.8 I have done; we get all events in the diagnostic format 
+END
<larsson:#jemxadr> Goodmorning, sorry to be a little late. END
#jemxadr> So that's AI12.9 and12.10 closed. END
<huovelin:#JEMXADR> made a plan for the BKG parameters (with Sami. this is con
+nected to ...
<njw:#jemxadr> The remaining AI's om me I've unfortunately not done yet. END
<huovelin:#JEMXADR> Peter's AI #?), and ... what else (I just jumped into this
+ from another piece of work ...) END
<huovelin:#JEMXADR> NJW's document: I have it but cannot find now (heh, heh) E
+ND
#jemxadr> That's okay Juhani, I think we're clear over what's been done. Has e
+veryone at least looked over Stefan's prototyping page?
#jemxadr> and checked the ISSW diagram (henceforth to be known as `The Figure'
+) for inaccuracies? Please do this because
#jemxadr> I'm distributing this figure as widely as possible to let various
#jemxadr> collaborators at ISDC and DSRI know what our ISSW looks like. END
<Peter:#jemxadr> PK: Yes to the former, not really to the latter. END
#jemxadr> The remaining 12a AI's I'll add to the master list of chat AI's whic
+h can
<njw:#jemxadr> No checks done yet END
#jemxadr> be found on the developers forum page, so that you can all find out 
+what you've still got to do.
#jemxadr> What about AI's from meeting 12, the first Helsinki meeeting? END
<larsson:#jemxadr> Yes. END
<njw:#jemxadr> Juhani, check your email, I've resent the 12a minutes END
#jemxadr> Sorry, Stefan, I forgot to say `Hi', so `Hi, how are you?' END
<larsson:#jemxadr> Hi CA. OK (sort of) END
<huovelin:#JEMXADR> To NJW: thank you. I actually just put my previous copy to
+ the pinter queue END
#jemxadr> Okay, meeting 12 AIs: 1 PK find out about DAL.h, cc and gcc: doneEND
#jemxadr> AI12.2 on me, done.
#jemxadr> AI12.3 on me, to make data sanity checklist: pending further experie
+nce making mini-Preprocessing here at DSRI.
#jemxadr> This check list may develope into a self-consistency program you cou
+ld run on any data. would you guys like that? END
#jemxadr> AI12.4 is on Sami to research better software for chat meetings: cou
+ld
#jemxadr> you remind him of this Juhani? END
#jemxadr> AI12.5 on PK to check on status of OBTCalc executables: how's that g
+oing? END
<Peter:#jemxadr> The first is delivered. 
<Peter:#jemxadr> For the other two, Nicolas has the necessary information now
<Peter:#jemxadr> (there was a slight hangup because the exact format of header
+ times was somewhat unclear)
<Peter:#jemxadr> and should be able to write them within this month.
<Peter:#jemxadr> END
<huovelin:#JEMXADR> HE actually found a SW for it, but can inform himself. I l
+ooks small enough and good END
#jemxadr> AI12.6 on AH/PK to see if we need a mode history table, has been sol
+ved
<huovelin:#JEMXADR> The previous was for Sami's IRC END
#jemxadr> I think at meeting 12a since we decided to  make a status (grey and 
+mode)
#jemxadr> history table. END
#jemxadr> I'll also assume that finding bugs in DAL3JEMX is ongoingEND
#jemxadr> AI12.8 on me to provide new smaller ddd template and ddd.sty is also
+ closed. END
#jemxadr> AI12.9 is on peter to compile a list of ISDC-approved names
#jemxadr> for images, shadowgrams etc. Is that ongoing peter? Would you like a
+ new
#jemxadr> due data on that one? END
<huovelin:#JEMXADR> 12.9 was on me. I made the request and got a positive answ
+er as you all know END
<huovelin:#JEMXADR> Oops, what AI list are you going through ? END
<njw:#jemxadr> Sorry, I have to leave you for a physical meeting. I'll do bett
+er next week, bye END
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#jemxadr> So12.9 is closed. As is 12.10 on me and njw. AI12.11 is on all helsi
+nki chaps to install OSM.  That's closed I think. END
#jemxadr> AI 12.12 to list possiblities for background handling wes closed at 
+the start of the second meeting. And 12.13 is ongoing:
#jemxadr> check consistency of proposed data structures. This one remains oppe
+n until delivery of version 5.0 of ADD. END
#jemxadr> Again, I'll add these still-open AI's from meeting 12 to the master 
+AI list on the developer's forum. ANy comments? EVeryone
#jemxadr> busy? Too busy? END
#jemxadr> Sorry if I lost you there, Juhani - I was going throught list of AI'
+s from meeting 12, after finishing with those from meeting 12a.
<huovelin:#JEMXADR> I really dont know which AI list you went through (?). I h
+ad the list ...
<huovelin:#JEMXADR> from NJW printed and looked at that (?) END
<huovelin:#JEMXADR> OK. That went fast END
#jemxadr> Don't worry, there's nothing on the meeting 12 list that's crucial t
+o you Juhani, if you want to see an updated, complete list
#jemxadr> from all our meetings see
#jemxadr> http://www.dsri.dk/~oxborrow/sdast/sdast_forum.html
#jemxadr> END
<huovelin:#JEMXADR> OK. END
#jemxadr> How about we agree to go through the complete list next week? Also, 
+I 
#jemxadr> think we need to get in the habit of sending me a complete list of
#jemxadr> component statuses at the end of every month, so that I can include
#jemxadr> this in  the monthly report: Roland seems very keen to know the
#jemxadr> disposition of each executable on an ongoing basis. What say you, bo
+ys? END
<larsson:#jemxadr> AOK for me. END
<huovelin:#JEMXADR> I suggest you send us a CAPITALIZED list of the actions as
+ an email. We seem ...
<larsson:#jemxadr> (AOK = OH) END
<huovelin:#JEMXADR> to be so hardheaded (or so busy, otherwise) that this is n
+ecessary END
<larsson:#jemxadr> (OH = OK) END
<Peter:#jemxadr> OK to the status list END
#jemxadr> I'll circulate the list at the end of this meeting once it's updated
+ END
#jemxadr> AOB? END
<Peter:#jemxadr> Possibly.
<huovelin:#JEMXADR> Did you all look at our bkg output parameter scheme ? END
<Peter:#jemxadr> There is the question if Helsinki sill (or even should) try t
+o finish JKnownSourceCalibration as part of ISSW V2
<huovelin:#JEMXADR> You got it last night, hopefully END
<Peter:#jemxadr> as it is currently in the MOU, or if this is pushed to V3.
<Peter:#jemxadr> Unfortunately I need an answer today or by Monday morniing th
+e very latest. END
#jemxadr> Yes, I liked the figure - it's helpful to see it all laid out like t
+hat. could I put it in the ADD, and could stefan use it in
<huovelin:#JEMXADR> I sent a wish on that just today in an email to Peter END
#jemxadr> his technical note on background storage? END
#jemxadr> I think JKnowSourceCalibration should be V3.......just my opinion EN
+D
<huovelin:#JEMXADR> last commen was on the delivery of Jknownsource ... END
<larsson:#jemxadr> To Juhani: I have not looked at it yet but I certainly will
+ (late today I hope). END
<huovelin:#JEMXADR> So, to repeat, I wish we could put it to V3 END
<huovelin:#JEMXADR> Again, last was on the Jknownsource... END
#jemxadr> I think conceptually JKnownSour..... belongs in V3. END
<huovelin:#JEMXADR> to Stefan: looking forward to get your comments on bkg par
+ams END
#jemxadr> Are we agreed that JKnownSourceCalibration should be in V3? END
<Peter:#jemxadr> From ISDC's POV, there is no problem in putting JKnownSourceC
+alibration into V3
<huovelin:#JEMXADR> Another OB: We had an interview of a student who could hel
+p you ...
<Peter:#jemxadr> The only caveat is that we then do not guarantee it to be run
+ning at launch. END
<huovelin:#JEMXADR> (hopefully help, and be a nuisance) in the quick look at D
+SRI END
<huovelin:#JEMXADR> I meant not be a nuisance (oh God ) END
#jemxadr> We really should discuss this fully next week when Allan and I go to
+ ISDC to discuss QLA. END
<Peter:#jemxadr> To CAO: The student or JKnownSourceCalibration? END
#jemxadr> For those who haven't heard yet: I've been asked to take over coding
+ of Soeren's QLA components since he's so busy with 
#jemxadr> the actual instrument. I'll get a student or two (possibly) to help 
+with
#jemxadr> the coding, but it's going to be quite a lot of work END
<huovelin:#JEMXADR> Are you still there ? END
#jemxadr> Could you send Allan and me some details about your student and how 
+much time, travel etc  he could spend on QLA, so that we
<huovelin:#JEMXADR> Yes, CAO END
#jemxadr> can all work out how to fit him into the work load, Juhani? END
<huovelin:#JEMXADR> When do you need it , CAO ? END
#jemxadr> By next wednesday, we're going to Geneva on Thursday. END
<huovelin:#JEMXADR> OK. you'll get it END
<huovelin:#JEMXADR> Put it as an AI , though END
#jemxadr> I have one more AOB: I'm currently coding like a mad thing to make
#jemxadr> a mini-preprocessing system at DSRI so that we can sort all the test
#jemxadr> data coming out of the instrument into ISDC data structures. Would y
+ou
#jemxadr> like this output as soon as I have anything useful, or would you rat
+her
#jemxadr> wait until I have all the modes and data structures available in a c
+ouple of weeks? END
<Peter:#jemxadr> Rather as soon as you have something. END
#jemxadr> Okay, that's an AI on me to set up a test data repository and popula
+te
#jemxadr> it, and let you guys know where it is. END
<Peter:#jemxadr> Good. END
<larsson:#jemxadr> Very Good END.
<huovelin:#JEMXADR> I agree on "as soons as possible" END
#jemxadr> Also AI on me to circulate updated AI list. Isn't that rather self-r
+eferential? END
#jemxadr> Is that all? Any more AOB? END
<huovelin:#JEMXADR> It looks very soon , but may mean in practice "not so soon
+" (does not apply to you, CAO) END
<huovelin:#JEMXADR> NOB =no other business END
<Peter:#jemxadr> No more AOB - Iassume we all agreed on moving JKSC to V3. END
#jemxadr> I could have a small repository with a couple of data structures in 
+it by this afternoon if you all talk to me nicely....END
<Peter:#jemxadr> Don't we always ;-) END
<larsson:#jemxadr> Your so sweet CA. (Is that OK) END
<huovelin:#JEMXADR> I will now go to Apollo for a nice lunch. See you guys ! E
+ND
#jemxadr> That's all folks! See you on Thursday Peter. And chat with the rest 
+of you next Friday - we'll let you know what was decided on Thursday.
#jemxadr> Have a good weekend everyone! END
<huovelin:#JEMXADR> By the way, Peter., you bought really good reindeer meat  
+! END
<Peter:#jemxadr> Got it from a stand in the old Market Hall END
<larsson:#jemxadr> OK buy for today. END
<Peter:#jemxadr> The one with the many foreign notes. END
<huovelin:#JEMXADR> buy=bye END
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